Talking Dog

I didn't know if I would like this story when I first started reading. The title makes it seem like the adventures of a talking dog, but the story is mostly about the family. It seems like an ordinary family, but a lot happens to them in the story. The death of the father kind of just passes along. There isn't much description. This seems to be a reflection of what the family is like, distant from one another. They deal with things on their own. Jimmy says at the end of the story that the older sister "had powers," and the younger sister disagrees. Life is ordinary for most people, and it ends so abruptly like the father and the daughter in this story. Maybe Jimmy sees something remarkable about that ordinariness. He was always trying to be extraordinary himself, and he doesn't amount to much by the end of the story. Melanie asked if it would be better from Jimmy's perspective, and I think it would be interesting to see the family from the outside looking in.

In the last line of the story it says that Jimmy would love the older sister more for pretending to talk to a dog. The dog represents dead people in the story, so maybe he means that by talking to dogs she was trying to make some sense of death. Everyone else in the story seems to move along without thinking much about what happens. The younger sister says that Jimmy would always "prefer [the older sister's] smoky opacity to" her "transparent face" (pg. 504). He sees some mystery in the older sister, and maybe he connects this mysteriousness with the mystery about life and death. Even if she was only pretending to talk to dogs, he would forgive her because she was trying to find some meaning.

Why does the author include the detail about the mother's views on race? Does this tie into the theme of the story?

Talking Dog

I agree with the previous post, I don’t think that the narrator’s sister had forgotten Jimmy at all. In my opinion, the image of the talking dog reflects her grief. She is mourning because of Jimmy’s dead and she imagines that dogs are sending her messages from him. Also, when Jimmy comes back, she goes away with him without caring that she’s already married. This shows that she was still in love with him. I think that what they had can be called true love because they were somehow linked to each other, like destined to be together, and sometimes it seems like they knew exactly what they were feeling without them saying anything. An example of this could be the fact that when Jimmy came back, he already knew where the older sister was, it’s like they had already planned to meet again. It also seems like Jimmy already knew that she was married because he wasn’t surprised at all when the little sister told him the news. It’s like something magical that is beyond the reader’s understanding unified them. What makes me doubt about their love is that the older sister left Jimmy when her mother came to their shack. “Going for lunch? Jimmy said. But we all knew they weren’t. Mother told me to get in back. Jimmy looked in and I saw him notice my sister’s suitcase.” (pg510). But it’s interesting that Jimmy didn’t do anything to stop her from leaving. “He did nothing to stop us – that was the strangest part. He let me get in and let us take off and stood there and watched us go.” Maybe the older sister really had powers and already knew that she was going to die.

It’s hard to say what was really going on between them because the story is told from an external point of view which is also a subjective point of view. The little sister says that her sister forgot about Jimmy, I don’t think that’s true, but maybe that’s what the little sister wanted to believe. She was kind of obsessed with Jimmy since she didn’t care about her sister’s death as long as she could have him.

I like the fact that the story was told from the little sister’s point of view because we can see how frustrated she is when she can’t have what her sister has. When Jimmy came back, he didn’t care or realized that the little sister had waited for him, but instead she took the big sister back, even if she was already married to someone else. The little sister is jealous of everything that her older sister has, everyone seems to love her because they all believe that she has powers, but the little sister doesn’t seem to get any special attention from anyone. I think most of people that have big brothers or sisters can relate to this feeling, because sometimes having an older sibling is like having an example to follow, and not being able to follow it or not being able to have the things that the other person has makes it very frustrating. Although this only happens when the younger sibling is still very young and doesn’t know quite yet what he really wants, so he just wants what the older sibling wants. I think this story portrays very well the selfishness and frustration that a younger sibling could have towards an older brother or sister.

I like the fact that this story seems to be realistic, but it inserts a supernatural side, the image of talking dogs. The reader never knows if the big sister really knew how to talk to dogs or if she was only inventing everything as the narrator said in the end, “I wanted to tell Jimmy that my sister didn’t have powers. (…) I wanted to say that she’d lied to us all, she’d faked it about the dog”. But the fact that Jimmy believes that the sister can really talk to dogs and that she has powers, makes the reader doubt about this being true or false. I really like this kind of stories that mix reality with fantasy and make the reader think that something supernatural could be happening in the real world.

Do you think it would have been better if the story had been told from Jimmy or the older sister’s point of view?

Talking Dog- Francine Prose

I think that this was a very well written short story. In my opinion, the author was able to grab the readers attention with the title alone. When I first saw the title, it grabbed my attention and made me want to read on because there obviously arent dogs that can really talk. So I was definatly interested to see what this piece was all about.

Prose also did a very good job with characterization. She created very distinct characterisitics between all of her characters. With her abilitly to do this, we were able to see how big a change came over the narrators sister once Jimmy dies. In the beginning she seemed to be a laid back, fun person who idolized another person with the same qualities. Once Jimmy dies, we see a drastic change and she goes from driving out onto the lake in a car to not even wanting to get out of bed to answer the phone. I found it intersting that in the middle of the story, the narrator is convinced that her sister has forgotten about Jimmy simply because she got married to someone else. I dont think that this was the case at all. I think that after something that tragic happens, and the grieving is done, you reach a point where you realize that things arent ever going to go back to the way things were, and you have to move on with your life... as hard as it may be. Sometimes there is no use dwelling on what could have been. The narrators sister just moved on with her life. However again because of the characterization that the author created, we were able to see the change in her that occured not only once Jimmy died but also after she got married. Her happy , fun loving side was gone and in its place there was a very serious person, who just kind of went along with things. I think that that in itself should portray how she still at that point was not over the death of Jimmy.

Theres that saying that you always want what you cant have and I think that this idea is what the narrator was portraying in regards to Jimmy. on the last page of the story. It was clear that she had a very big crush on him, but then , she says " For a fraction of a second, i thought that I might still want him. But I didnt want him. I just didnt want her to have him forever. I was shocked to be so jealous when death meant that it could never be fixed. I didnt want it to be that way, but that was how it was." p.512. How selfish is it that she would rather have her sister dead, than see the two of the together.

The narrator was convinced that her sister had forgotton about Jimmy, but after reading the story and seeing the outcome of the situation ... would you agree? Do you think that the love they share for one another is true love??

g string

I dont know how unlikely a pair Gillan and Mr. Kip actually are. Personally, I think that there are alot of couples out there today that are just like them. You have a a female who is not too confident in themselves and a male who has money and loves to flaunt it. Usually in realtionships like this the male always is in control and the female kind of just goes along with it, like a puppet because she isnt confident enough to speak up for herself. The woman in Gillians position, go to great lenghts in order to make the man happy, including buy expensive clothes and hoping that they notice it, or doing exactly what they say so they wont make them mad in any way. I also think that alot of middle aged woman today are in the same boat as Gillian because the world that they grew up in is completely different than the more modern one that they have to adapt to today. Alot of the time, they decide that its easier just to stick with their old ways, instead of trying to keep up with the changing times.

I dont know if anyone has seen it, but this story kind of made me think of the movie "The Holiday" starring Kate Winslet. The movie took place in England, so everyone spoke with an English accent and she was kind of out dated from the rest of the world. She is hooked on a guy who constantly plays with her, and only calls when its convient for him or he needs something from her. Kate's character goes online and ends up replying to an offer to swap houses with another woman who lives in LA (very modern), and ends up moving there for a good amount of time. Its obvious once she gets there that these two woman live completely different lives. Kate was used to having living in a little one bedroom bungalo, with no tv or any other modern things, and then she moved to LA where she got to live in a home where there was a remote control for everything in site and a maid to clean up any mess that you might make. She goes from wearing "knickers" to "g-strings" kind of like Gillian and in the end, she puts her foot down with this guy and tells him that the way he has been treating her will not continue to go on. Similar to what happend with Gillian. I think that changing with the times and trying to adapt to the modernized way of living is important as far as womans rights go. If they are stuck in the older way of living, more likely than not they will also have an older mentality. And in this day and age, its so important for woman to speak their minds and stick up for themseleves and not just settle for anything less than they deserve.

Both Gillians and Kate Winslet's character finally learned to be modern woman with modern ideas and a bit more confident than they started out to be. Very important in todays society.

G-STRING

I thought the story was too short also but, it was quite amusing. Although I do hate reading stories in which the characters have English accents. I was able to relate to Gillian and her dilema's with keeping up with the modern time. I myself feel as though it hard to keep up with everything that changes in the world one a daily basis.

Gillian and Mr Kip to me seem like an unlikely couple. It shows that they are both uncomfprtable with their relationship in different sections of the story. Gillian is uncomfortable with herself and how Mr Kip perceives her to be and Mr kip seems uncomfortable with the way Gillian looks and acts.

The part where Gillian is in the Lingerie shop with her friend trying out clothes sticks in my head for many reasons. This part of the story makes it so realistic to me. As woman we all have our moments when we are out with friends shopping for that special item that is going to make us feel like we are beautiful. Unfortunatly we usually end up with something uncomfortable that makes us look better. The fact that Gillian is pretty much forced into wearing a g-string to make her outfit look more acceptable. She felt uneasy about it the whole time but did it anyways.

Mr Kip seemed very self-centered. He was comparing Katherine Hepburn to Gillian. Making her feel insecure about her appearance. He told her she was frizzy not fizzy like Katherine. When it came time for the to go to the Rotary club he told her not to put her head on the head rest if she had used hairspray. This shows that her comfort level isn't important to him. While they are at the club he compared her to a cone-shaped upstanding white napkins instead of trying to compliment her. He sat at the table with her and drank and smoked, tipped ash on her and didn't introduce her to any of his friends.

While the were on the way home Mr Kip's windshield wiper flew off and ontop the side of the road Mr Kip's fogged up glasses prevented him from seeing much, so he demanded Gillian to help him look. In her new dress went flopping around in the muddy side of the road and found the wiper. When it didn't work he blamed her and Gillian finally took control. She took his tie, her G-string and swiss ary knife and constructed a way to make the wipers function. He then in some effect got "Off" on this and tried to come on to her but, Gillian wasn't having it. She had finally realized she was a modern woman and she wasn't going to be a fool for Colin(Mr Kip) anymore.

I believe that the story should have gone on a bit but, it did get its message accross. I think that if the story was to proceed from that point maybe they would stay in the relationship but, Gillialn would now wear the pants.

"G-String"

I like the evolution of the characters throughout the story. I think this story represents the evolution of the place of women in society. Before, women were only supposed to have kids and clean the house, they didn’t have any opportunities to study or work, and they were totally dependent of men. However, nowadays women have the same rights as men, the right to study, work and be independent, although this has not been fully accomplished in some countries.

We could compare the evolution of women in society with the evolution of Gillian in this story. At first, she is presented as a quiet character that lets Mr. Kip control her and bring her down. She doesn’t particularly stand out in her job, working for “a car-hire firm in Grays Thurrock”, whereas Mr. Kip’s insurance business is “small but flourishing”. She is very insecure and has no self-esteem because she is constantly compared to this perfect actress, Katharine Hepburn, who is “skinny and elegant and sparky and intelligent.” Gillian doesn’t like anything about herself; she doesn’t like her frizzy hair or her body, and tries constantly to fit in the “modern woman” stereotype. Also, Mr. Kip’s behavior doesn’t help her. He compares her to “the cone-shaped upstanding white napkins on the fancily made-up tables” when she is wearing her new white dress, and doesn’t introduce her to any of his friends. He even “tips ashes on her” while smoking his cigar.

However, “all of a sudden, wheeewwoing!”, the wipers of the car flew off as the character’s roles dramatically changed. Gillian finally stands out for her dignity. She proves that she can be clever, strong, independent, and that she has the right to be respected. She no longer calls him “Mr. Kip”, but she now calls him “Collin”, and finally, Collin ends up falling for her. As far as I am concerned, I think that the author created an evolution in character and situation which surprises the reader. I think this dramatic change is what makes the story stand out for itself in only 3 pages.

What do you think about the story beginning with a question: “Ever fallen out with somebody simply because they agreed with you?”, how does this question relate to the situation described in the story?

G-String

I think some of the story captured the essence of what men and women are today, but not all. When it comes down to Mr. Kip, I don't think all men think like he does. The men that I know want a woman to be able to support herself if need be and they want them to have a voice because they want to know what they think or at least they want to argue with them. When it comes to Gillian, I think she's insecure about her weight and size and the fact that she's not like Katharine Hepburn. Which, in turn makes Gillian so much more insecure due to Mr. Kip's obssesed affections towards Hepburn.

When Gillian is convinced to buy and wear this G-String, she's at a lost about this new contraption. She's so used to being her old self and being in place where not even Mr. Kip respects her for who she is. Gillian doesn't even respect herself because she's with a guy who is always comparing her to an actress that he'll never meet and if he met her, he wouldn't like her because she's old now. Why would this woman ever stay with a man like that? Like I said before she has no self-respect.

She wears the G-String on a night where Mr. Kip takes her out. It's the same thing all over again. He downs her, makes her feel like she's worthless, but this time she's had enough. She agreed with Mr. Kip in the beginning, thinking that she was worthless. But she doesn't agree with him anymore and now she's the one that's going to get herself out of the situation that Mr. Kip put her in, but also in the situation that she put herself in. She saves herself and Mr. Kip out of the rain, but I also see her saving herself from Mr. Kip. Katharine Hepburn would never do what Gillian did to get out of rain and for that Gillian should be proud of herself.

G-String

I think the shortness of the story does in fact work. I think it makes a neatly packaged point. Although I must admit I would have liked it to be longer. It could have expressed in more ways how modern women feel.

I really liked the last line, actually. I think the author was trying to portray what modern women actually feel like or have to be like, insecure, strong, clever. In her own way, Gillian displayed a distinguishable set of admireable attributes, she was smart (she was able to figure out a way for the wipers to work when Mr. Kip couldn't), self-assured (getting out of the car and going ito the rain wearing a white dress, something that Miss Hepburn would not have done), clever (using her g-string to fix wipers) in which Mr. Kip seemed proud and maybe a little turned on by and in turn by putting his hand on her thigh gave her a little 'pat on the back.' I think in that moment it reminded him of what real women are like today, and why they should be appreciated.

The attributes of women like Kathrine Hepburn that Mr. Kip seems so in love with (i.e. elegance) doesn't fit in the world we live in today. In that situation Gillian could not be elegant. She had to trudge in the rain and fix the wipers because Mr. Kip couldn't. She had to take off her g-string (not so elegant) and in doing so, it seemed to earn Mr. Kip's respect even if it wasn't something that Kathrine Hepburn would have done. The traditional roles of men and women have changed greatly. If Mr. Kip was more of a man (in the traditional sense, like he wants Gillian to be) maybe Gillian could have been more elegant. I think this story poses a reminder as to why women today should be appreciated. We may or may not be elegant, or proper, or classy but we are definately strong, confident, feisty, sexy, and clever in our own ways. One must just pay attention to detail. This is not to say that men haven't changed in some good ways as well.

Do you think this captured the essence of what men and women are like today?

Nicola Barker Story

Mr. Kip is presented well as a villain. Just the fact that he has a nickname like "Mr. Kip," and that he gave it to himself, tells what kind of a character he is. Twice the author uses the word "deign" in reference to Mr. Kip: when he deigns to drive the Aston Martin (pg. 69) and when he deigns to drive Gillian home (pg. 71). It's a good word to get across his sense of superior character, like he's some kind of nobleman helping a peasant. I like the line that "Mr. Kip told Gillian to get out and look" for the windshield wiper (pg. 71). I just thought it was really funny because he's dead serious about having her get out in the rain and look for something.

I'm not sure that I like the final line of the story, that "she was a truly modern female." It feels like "they all lived happily ever after," like the author is explaining the point of the story. This story kind of reminded me of Raymond Carver's story with its briefness, but Carver ends his story more subtly, with the husband thinking about the shining car when he first bought it. It makes you think and connect that image with the rest of the story, whereas maybe the meaning of this story is made too obvious. But I don't know, because maybe the author wanted it that way. Maybe she was aware that she wasn't leaving any subtlety, and maybe that fits in with what she was trying to do with the story.

Obviously a short story is supposed to be short, but some are longer than others. This was only about three full pages. Does the briefness of this story work?

Willing

Somethings that I noticed about the writing in "Willing" is that theauthor always seems to have a link about what she said in the beginning of the story and what she says at the end of the story. For example, when she talks about how Sirde is older and slighty sagger than she used to be she adds in a metaphor about the jack 'o lantern and how it was rotten. I'a almost as if she is writhing away just like the jack 'o latern that she left. But also how she's still trying to keep what she once was. She can't move on and it seems like that she's trying to run aways from herself. Another example, is when Walter talks about the birds in the middle of story. Moore goes back to it at the end examplinhow Sirde finally was able to become that bird and fly aways from the hole she put herself in. I understand the concept of "Willing," that Sirde was always ready to go for what was infront of her, but at the same time I don't think she was willig. I don't think she was willing to finally go back to where her heart truelly wanted to be. She was scared of that place and so she decided to run aways from it. I don't think she truelly can be willing if she doesn't try to even face her fears. But at the same time I guess that's what willing is, trying everything else out except the one thing that you love the most.

Willing

In the beginning of the story it goes into Sidra and her lifestyle as an actress. Trying to make it in Hollywood, but her age has her limited. She obviously is tired of chasing a dream in which it seems she is not right for but, it is her passion; to be recognized, appreciated and accepted as the professional she tried so hard to be. Her frustration ultimately has her running away. Trying to search for a sense of realness. Something tangable and fulfulling. She Spends her days in loneliness. Basking in her fears, regrets, and past. She wanted to be so much more than she had become and it haunted herinner being. She would only speak to a few friends, Tommy and Charlotte. Both who told her that she was better than what she had let herself become but, she wasn't buying. She had an openess about herself. pg 414"She could rip open a bone and speak out of it, simple and clear. " Sidra wasn't one to buy into everyones opinon she knew what the deal was, how to work people to her advantage. She knew what she was and what she had to offer. She was tring to forget about the emptiness that LA had brought to her life and tried fill it with ordering out and listening to self esteem tapes. She stared out into the open body of water that was Lake Michagan. Reviewing where it all went went wrong and where she wanted to be. She had a strained relationship with her parents. Her father didn't approve of her past roles and had never gotten over it. Her mother was secretly jealous of her daughter and Sidra was beginning to be sick of them. She met a guy at a Blues bar that caught her attention. He had admitted to not being a big movie watcher which put Sidra at ease. She met someone that didn't have an opinion on her based on her career. Although they were an unlikely couple she pursued it. He told her about the only movie he could remember seeing. It was about a city of people that realized they were part of a dream. The people knew that if the person that was dreaming them awoke they would disappear, so they found a way to keep him asleep. The only thing wrong was when he dream changed so did they. So when the man dreamt of flamingos all of the people in the dream would become the flamingos and they'd fly way. She found this interesting. There was something about him that intrigued her. As they went through the motions her friends tried to warn Sidra about the signs but, she ignored them. To her, it seemed as though making a future and having a family was more important than finding that "someone special". She settled for him. He knew that she didn't really love him but though what they had could be enough. She had made it obvious to him through her attitude torwards him on many occasions that she didn't repect him. When an incident proved to her that he was an idiot she jumped at the opportunity to let him go. After she ended the relationship her depression got the best of her. She started to lose her grasp on reality and decided to give him another shot. To fill the void. She did like him afterall. So she gave him a call and they talked. He came over and told her about a business dinner with a female client he had for the following day. Sidra knew. She felt it inside her bones, the truth. He told her it was just business. She didn't trust him though. She called him all night and got no answer. He did not come home. She felt the sickness start up inside. When he finally picked up the phone the following day it was in his voice. He came over and admitted it was a date. He told her he didn't sleep with her but, Sidra sensed it. pg 422 A bone opened up in her gleaming and pale and she held it to the light and spoke from it. "I want to know one thing? Did you have oral sex?".
He after trying to avoid the answer he had, admitted to it. She then became cold inside. She turned off all of her emotions and died inside. She was no longer there. Just a body. Just an empty being. He cried there. It didn't move her though. It was as if her bones close and she became part of another dream. He asked her "What can I do?" But like the flamingo he had descibed in the dream she had flown away. She was already gone.

I loved this story so much. There was so much in it that remeinded me of my past relationships and some of my friends relationships. There was a realness that i could really appreciate about it.

"Willing"

I think that Sidra's and Walters realtionship will continue on in the same direction that it has been headed . It seems as though Sidra is very unhappy with her life but uses the fact that she is a "minor movie star , once nominated for a major award", to keep her going. No matter how upset she gets, she keeps on brining us back to that. I think that alot of times, people who are in any type of Hollywood business are very unhappy with their lives but hide behind their careers to mask this unhappiness. They date anyone and everyone regardless of whether or not they like them, and things just become kind of a rountine. I think its kind of irnoic how throughout most of the story Sidra can not stand Walter. At times she describes how much she dispises him, but then the second that he is going on a date with someone else, she gets all upset and decides that she would possibly like him again if he would become a "begging man". Everyone is always criticizing men for their behavior in realtionships, how they always sleep around with whoever will sleep with them, but sometimes people fail to see the games that woman play as well. Sidra's actions in this story display this. Even from the beginning when she first meets him, she teetertotters between liking him and not liking him- her mind would change in a matter of minutes. "there is something about him that she liked, something earthy beneath the act." Then a few lines later after he had been talking to her for a while- she says " Now she hoped he wouldnt go on. She had changed her mind a little". Throughout a good portion of the play she talked about how lonley she was, and how boring her little life was in her hotel room at the Days Inn. I think that she just wanted someone to try to fill the void that she felt inside. Many times in the story, the other minor characters mention that they were envious of her because she would "always get the parts in the play that everyone else wanted"- and even knowing this, she is still completely unhappy with her life. Which just goes to show you that even if people on the outside think that your life is great and would love to trade with you, it doesnt always mean that the person who is living it is actually enjoys it. Just because someone else is envioius of your life- doesnt make you any happier.

I think that the dream that Walter has can be compared to the lives that people live today. When he is describing it he says "A man is having a dream about a little country with little people... and then the people realize that they are only creatures in this means dream and they wouldnt exist if he wakes up." They institutionalize this man because they dont want to "not exist" but in the mean time it affects the mans actual life. It can be compared to alot of people today because sometimes they dont really care who they inconvience as long as they are able to live that lives the way that they want too. I also think that Sidra's realtionship with Walter can be parralled with this dream because she doesnt care how her not liking him would affect Walter. As long as she was the center of attention and they were talking about things that were in "her world" then she was content- but she did not want to hear about his job or anything that he is interested in. Also I think its ironic how at the end of the story Sidra kind of detaches from the situation and in the last few lines of the story, she ends up being "gone , gone ,gone out the window, gone, gone" just like the birds that were in his dream.

By being able to witness her reaction to Walter sleeping with someone else, do you think that Sidra truly cared about him and just didnt realize what she had when she had it. Or do you think that she chose to date him because it was someone that would be completely smitten by the idea of dating someone who was in a movie, and would never leave her? Was he just a source of comfort for her, or did she truly love him?

Willing

I think the story could have been told in the first person even if Sidra’s state of mind is unreliable, because describing her state of mind is the point of the whole story. Even using the third person, the story is focused on Sidra’s perspective and life. Moore created a depressive and sad character which somehow doesn’t really make the reader feel bad. I think this is because the tone of the story is also humoristic. It is told as if it’s a joke, in a sarcastically manner, but it has also a deeper gloomy side. I think the author uses a dark humor. For example, using images as “She hadn’t been given the proper tools to make a real life, she decided, that was it. She’d been given a can of gravy and a hairbrush and told, there you go. She’d stood there for years, blinking and befuddled, brushing the can with the brush.” This sounds miserable, but it’s also funny. Also when the author keeps repeting that Sidra is “a minor movie star, once nominated for a major award”, it seems that Sidra’s life is described in a very unimportant way, as if her miserable life was a normal thing to happen.

I liked this story because the author tells a very sad and realistic story but is still able to make the reader laugh. I think the way she does this is to put the depression on the same level as very unimportant things, that the reader would never expect to read, as for example saying that the solution to all the suffering in the world is to give hugs: “These days, she was reading thin paperback books by a man named Robert Valleys, a man who said that after observing all the suffering in the world – war, starvation, greed – he had discovered the cure: hugs.” The author takes the suffering for granted, she doesn’t seem to want the reader to realize how people suffer and maybe take action against this, but she only makes fun of it. I think that this way of writing the story could eventually work better because the reader laughs, and then thinks how this can be happening. I think the story pushes the reader into reflection.

By reading the last sentence: “But this dream had now changed, and she was gone, gone, out the window, gone, gone”; what do you think about the comparison between Sidra’s life and the movie about the Dream? What do you think will happen with Sidra and Walter’s relationship?

Willing

There are a few similes that I really like in this story. For example, when she says that "it came out wrong, like a lizard with a little hat on" (pg. 416). It's just a funny and unique way to describe something. Another one is the piano keys that are "shiny and mocking like an opened bone" (pg. 423), which references an earlier statement that "she could rip open a bone and speak out of it" (pg. 414). It's an interesting image of her pain, a broken bone that speaks. I think both similes reflect well on the ability of the writer because they aren't boring or predictable.

I also like one particular character detail, that Tommy "had made himself the make-believe author of a make-believe book of essays called One Man's Opinion, and when he was bored or inspired, he quoted from it" (pg. 412). It's the kind of specific detail that gives the character an identity, and it also emphasizes their friendship that they have a recurring inside joke. I thought it was humorous, like speaking in the third person, something that's obnoxious and playfully self-deprecating about his opinions.

One thing I didn't necessarily like is the way she uses comparisons to describe things. For example, "She thought of it as a cross between London and Queens, with a dash of Cleveland" (pg. 412). Later, "She felt like a cross between Anna Karenina and Amy Liverhaus..." (pg. 422). Also, "...a cross between shyness and derision" (pg. 420). I think it leaves too much for the reader to fill in. Somewhere between shyness and derision is kind of vague, it's not a sharp description. How many people have been to London, Queens, and Cleveland? How many have read "Anna Karenina"? If the reader doesn't know those cities or that character, then the references might go over their head. If they do know them, they don't necessarily have the same impression as the author. I guess that can be said about any description or reference, it has to mean something to the reader, so maybe these comparisons aren't any different. But I don't know if I would use them, or at least very rarely.

Could the story be told in the first-person, or would Sidra's state of mind make it an unreliable perspective?

PROOF

Crazy, well I don't think she was crazy. I think when someone close to you dies, you create ways to connect with them again. The scene alluded to her being crazy and i think we obviously need to read the whole play to discover whether or not she was crazy or if these sentimental moments are meant to deal with the pain of loss. I think craziness entails things or episodes that aren't natural. I think with Cathrine seeing her father and talking to him is a somewhat natural thing to do. Now thats not to say if she continues to talk to him that it would be normal, but considering she just lost her father, I think it is okay to assume that it isn't her being crazy.

On the other hand, Robert brought his daughter champagne, and when he 'dissapears' the champagne bottle remains. It is also there for her sister to see the next morning. I wonder about that bottle and whether or not that is a clue about what will happen...

Do you think the champagne bottle is significant?

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I can see why Hal can be viewed as selfish because there hasnt been much time to mourn the death. However I can also see how it can be seen as a tribute to a man who was clearly very intelligent. He was convinced that no one else would be able to produce any type of mathematics like what was in those notebooks and he wanted others to be able to see and learn from them. I think that this argument really can go both ways depending on which way you looked at it. His daughter of course thought that it was completely self- absorbed to want to get money from her deceased fathers work and while I can see why she thought that- I dont really think that those were his true intenetions. I really do think that he wanted others to be able to admire the brillance that was portrayed on the pages.
I thought it was interesting how in the opening lines of the play, you have no idea that she is talking to her dead father. At first I thought that she was talking to her friend/boyfriend whom she lived with. After we learn that he is dead, it seems a bit more intriguing. The entire length of the play, she is trying to convince herself that she is not crazy but all the while talking to her dead fathers ghost. How sane is this? I do agree with her father that "you can not inherit" insanity but I dont agree with her own personal claim that she is not crazy.
But then that raises the question that was posed in the play itself which is- if you can consciously say that you are crazy, does the fact that you can recognize it negate the fact that you actually are? I think that sometimes everyone feels a bit crazy, and we are aware of it and voice this outloud but how many of us are actually really crazy?
I dont think that you can inherit insanity from someone. I have seen many instances where one or both of the parents were crazy and the child was not. If you are living with two crazy people, I can see how you could be strange- but theres a fine line between craziness and just being a little bit odd. I do think though that if she continues to segregate herself from society that she could possibly end up like her father- she could drive herself mad , but as far as her being "destined" to be just like him , I think is a far fetched idea.
I think that being able to portray a full situation simply by dialouge is talent and I as well would enjoy the opportunity to read the entire play. I would be curious to see how the entire thing plays out.
I think that the title of the play symbolizes what is Catherines internal conflict throughout the entire play. She is trying to proof/disprove that she is crazy. Is she crazy? Does the fact that she is talking to her dead father prove this? She is convinced that Hal is trying to steal things from her, seems to become paranoid, is this proof that she is crazy even though she turns out to be right? And i guess the most important question is.... what does being "crazy" actually entail?

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I think the play might have been titled Proof because maybe the encounter with her father's ghost is proof that she might be crazy. It makes me think that because when her father is attempting to convince her that she is not crazy, he fails. I think he was trying to just make her feel better by not telling her that she might be in fact crazy. "You're sitting here. You're giving me advice. You bought me champagne." "yes." "which means..." "For you?" "Yes." "For you, Catherine, my daughter, who I love very much...It could be a bad sign." I like those lines of the play, because it reminds me of how our parents sometimes try to protect us from things that might hurt us. In this case, Robert was trying to protect his daughter by trying to convince her that she was not crazy. Robert knows that she feels depressed perhaps by the possibility that she might end up like her father, and i agree with earlier posts, that she almost resents him for it. I think in life also, we resent our parents for certain things, whether its physical traits, characteristal traits or the type of life we now live, or have lived. Wether resenting or parents is right or wrong, I don't think we can help it because we are humans but can only help cope with what we were given. Does anyone else view Hal as a selfish, suspicious character? After all the funeral hasn't even happened yet, and Hal is thinkinf of having his work published instead of mourning his death?

Proof

Just by reading a scene, it makes me want to read the whole book and even watch the movie. I think it’s a very interesting story. It manages to portrait the characters only through the way they speak and act, without any description. Also the dialogue is very active and it is able to capture the reader’s attention. I think the good thing about theater plays is that the dialogue makes the story more realistic because we know exactly what each character says so it is possible to recreate the scene as if it was happening in real life.

I really like how Catherine is portrayed in this scene. She seems to be very selfish and mean with her father and with Hal but somehow the reader is not repulsed by her character. I think there’s a deeper reason for her behavior. It is interesting that she has inherited her father’s skills in mathematics but it also seems that she has inherited her father’s insanity. Maybe she blames her father so much because she knows that she’s like him. I think the reason for her behavior may be her father’s death but she’s also kind of aware of her similarity with him and is afraid to end up like him. She never stops claiming that he’s crazy, “The problem is you are crazy!”, “There’s nothing up there. It’s garbage. (…) He was crazy. There’s no ideas. It’s like a monkey at a typewriter. A hundred and three notebooks full of bullshit.” This shows us that she’s trying to convince herself that she’s not crazy, that she’s not like her father. When she’s talking with Hal, she says “No. I’m not crazy”, the words “I’m” are in italics, which stresses the point that she doesn’t want to be like him.

Also in her imaginary conversation with her father, she expresses her fear of having inherited his insanity. Her father tells her: “There are all kinds of factors. It’s not simply something you inherit. Just because I went bughouse doesn’t mean you will.” I think she’s kind of stuck in her life because she thinks she’s going to end up like Robert, she can’t move on and be successful because of this. Her father has had a huge impact on her, she not only inherited his abilities but her depression and her fear of not being normal is also provoked by what happened to him. We also notice their similarities when Catherine says that his father talked to people who weren’t there or imagined that aliens were sending him codes, but Catherine is also imagining having conversations with his dead father.

I think that when her father says that it is a good sign that they can talk about Catherine’s problems he means that it is a good sign that she is able to recognize what she’s doing wrong. She is aware that she may be crazy, she knows it’s not normal having conversations with dead people. “Crazy people don’t sit around wondering if they’re nuts.” Which is what Catherine does all the time, sits around wondering if she’s like her father, if she’s going to have the same life. Therefore, she’s not crazy. Crazy people are just crazy, they don’t realize it. I think that further on in the story Catherine will be able to forget about his father’s illness and appreciate his talent, so she’ll be able to move on and be herself, not an image of her dead father’s flaws. At least that’s what I would like to happen next in the story, it would be kind of boring if she had the same life as her father.

Why do you think “Proof” was the title of this play? Do you think the biological inheritances will turn out to be stronger than Catherine's unique personality? Is she condemned to have the same destiny as her father?

responding to the play

I felt like the dialog moved fast which made it more affective. What was going on in the scene was very sad. Is Catherine crazy? does she have any hope of turning her life around? I think that after her fathers funeral she may finlay get it together. That last blow with Hal reality checked her. The whole time Catherine and Hal were arguing i was thinking she was completely out of line and selfish. It really pissed me off that she would not listen to a word that he was saying because he had a good point. She was only being pessimistic and not even thinking about her dead father. Obviously she loved him very much. Why wouldn't she want his work published, its what he would have wanted. I hope she apologizes to Hal in future scenes in the play. The dialog had a lot of emotion in it. I could really here each individual voice and see the looks on each persons face as they spoke. At first i thought she was sweet on Hal but maybe i am the only one who flirts with people by being mean, I like testing guys. After reading the untitled scene i think that it will help me grow to write dialog. I'm a little nervous because its hard to really connect with readers if your dialog is boring. I'm afraid my dialog will be boring.

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The dialogue format is different from a short story, where the author describes and narrates, but it still draws the reader into the action. The only description comes in brief notes, so a lot depends on the actor (when it is performed), and on small sentence details (when it is read): question marks, exclamation points, ellipsis, italics, dashes, etc. These small details animate the dialogue, because they indicate how the characters are delivering their lines. For example, when Robert says to Catherine, "After midnight..." (pg. 5), the ellipsis helps get across that he is a father, that he is concerned about his daughter, that he wants to talk and waits for an answer. In a short story the author may directly describe the two characters, but that intrusion into the dialogue can be trimmed by punctuating effectively. When Catherine is on the phone with the police, her sentence is cut off with an em dash, and it stops the reader short, so that the dramatic moment is captured: "Yes, I'm at 5724 South—" (pg. 22). There's no need for a narrator to explain that she stopped short, it's already in the dialogue.

I thought the author kept the dialogue interesting by developing the characters. At first it seems that Catherine is just talking to her father on the porch, which might get boring after a while, but then we learn that he is actually dead, which gives her character and her dialogue a whole new direction. The same thing happens with Harold. Catherine accuses him of stealing, and she is proven wrong when she checks his bag. But we still don't know who he really is, whether he is trying to make himself famous by her father's work, or whether he is an innocent math teacher who respected his mentor. When the notebook falls out of his jacket, it's another surprise in the story, and his character appears to have selfish intentions. But then we learn why he has the notebook, and our previous questions about him are answered. These small moments of suspense and character development help the dialogue so that it has a purpose, and doesn't just seem like two people talking on a porch. The reader wants to continue reading the conversation because it adds up to something larger, a story.

If you had to guess about the rest of the play, do you think that Catherine is crazy herself, or is she just grieving?